A Beginner's Guide to Immortality
I recently reached an odd conclusion. A sense of history isn't about knowing a lot of history or trying to learn from the past in order to create a better future. It is about living your mortal life as though you were immortal.
To understand why this is an interesting definition to play with, consider the following allegory. Human life is like walking into a movie halfway through, and having to walk out again two minutes later. You'll have no idea what's going on when you walk in. And chances are, just as you begin to get a clue, you'll be kicked out.
So unless you are lucky enough to walk in during a scene that is satisfying without any longer narrative context (think sex or violence), your ability to derive satisfaction from your two-minute glimpse will depend partly on your ability to construct meaning out of it.
One way to do this is to pretend to be immortal. This game of make-believe also reveals a few interesting things about literal immortality seeking, in the sense of seeking longevity therapies or waiting to upload your brain into Skynet, post-Singularity.
To pretend to be immortal is to approach your limited two-minute glimpse of the movie as though you've been watching all along, and as though you might stick around to see how it all ends.
You will have to manufacture unverifiable memories and unfalsifiable foreshadowings. You will have to devote some of your limited time whispering to your neighbors, and perhaps surreptitiously looking up reviews with spoilers on your cellphone.
But at least you'll walk out with a satisfying story, even if not the story. So long as you walk away feeling like you've just enjoyed an entire movie, it doesn't matter.
To do this at the level of an entire life is to spend much of your time having one-way conversations with the dead and the unborn, through books read and written. You inhabit a world of ghosts while walking among the living.
These choices can lead to the sort of detachment and withdrawal from everyday life that we associate with seers, even if you don't spend your time chasing profundities. You can seek this sort of pretend-immortality through stamp collecting or escapist fantasies.
These choices can also lead to odd patterns of identification with, and attachment to, dead or unborn cultures and people. It can lead to a sense of connection to larger human realities that is not purely genealogical. They can lead to social identities that make no sense to anyone, but are not exactly individualist either. They can make the contemporary living around you resentful and angry about your withdrawn, ghostly lifestyle.
The small difference between this kind of ghostly, vicarious immortality seeking and the literal kind is that in this kind, pretending is often enough.
The big difference is that sense-of-history seekers not only want to live forever, they want to have lived forever.
The sense of loss they feel about missing the invention of the wheel in 3000 BC is as poignant as the sense of loss they feel about missing the first interstellar human space mission in 2532 AD.
But this is only a symptom, the real difference lies deeper.
Life and Loss
Humans are somewhat unique among living things in their capacity for mourning the loss of things they never had in the first place. Immortality is one of those things (I am using words like "forever" and "immortality" in a loosely realist sense, to talk about really long, but finite time periods, ranging from many human lifetimes to the lifespan of human civilization, to the lifespan of the universe. There are no mathematical infinities here.)
To seek to avoid the pain of death -- something all living creatures do -- is very different from seeking to live, or have lived, forever. Our immortality instincts arise out of our ability to vicariously experience the lives of others, coupled with our ability to peer into the past and future beyond the limits of our own lifetimes. Into regimes where direct experience is impossible.
Because we can read a historical or science-fiction tale and vicariously experience a low-fidelity version of the distant past or future, we can experience a sense of loss about not being able to experience the real thing more fully and directly. So we are designed for pretend immortality.
But some want the real thing as well.
There is a key distinction between pretend and literal immortality seekers. The former want to experience more in order to extract more meaning, which means vicarious, non-participatory experience is valuable on its own. Direct experience is just a bonus, except where it is necessary for extracting any meaning they decide is essential.
The latter want to experience more because being alive itself is a valuable state to them. They prefer being alive to being dead, and being young to being old. They want to live a full, direct and pleasurable life rather than a ghostly, indirect and meaningful one. Vicarious experience is at best a means to an end for them. Ultimately, they want to personally experience all that life has to offer.
Becoming a pretend-immortal ghost, living a life that is vicarious to any significant degree, is unbearable to them.
Ghosts and Vampires
Meaning-seekers are afraid of misreading the universe; extracting false meanings out of it. They seek immortality primarily to get to more satisfying and meaningful readings of their condition. Seeking direct experience is a secondary, pragmatic objective in specific situations, it is not the raison d'être.
Experience-seekers are afraid of missing out on the rich direct experiences the universe offers. They seek immortality primarily to directly experience more of the universe. Seeking meaning is a secondary, pragmatic objective in specific situations, it is not the raison d'être.
These are different varieties of loss aversion and lead to different patterns of action.
Experience-seekers prefer doing over seeing. Meaning-seekers prefer seeing over doing. Neither requires nor precludes the other, but most people seem to prefer one to the near exclusion of the other.
We need names for these two types of immortality seekers. Let's call them ghosts and vampires. Ghosts seek meaning. Vampires seek more direct experience of life.
In our stories, ghosts usually cannot do anything, but hang around until unresolved matters are resolved. Their satisfaction is based purely on meaning.
Vampires on the other hand, have a reason to go on living for as long as they enjoy the taste of blood and enjoy a very interventionist sort of immortality.
Pretending is enough for ghosts because there is nothing they particularly want to change; just a lot they want to see, but pretend-drinking blood is not satisfying because it is not an experience valued for the meaning it generates.
It is also obvious why vampires are more interested in living forever than having lived forever.
Since the actual direct experience matters, and pretending is not enough, the future is more interesting to vampires. The past, being inaccessible to direct experience, is only interesting in an instrumental sense, insofar as understanding it can help manipulate the future.
Ghosts seek appreciative knowledge of both past and future. Vampires seek manipulative knowledge from both past and future, but as a means to changing the future.
Which means it is useful to conduct thought experiments involving time machines to get at deeper differences between the two types.
The Time Machine Test
A useful test for telling ghosts and vampires (our human archetypes, not the fictional kind) apart is to consider how they might react to a time machine.
If you had access to a time machine that could put you anywhere in the past or future for five minutes before snapping you back to your own time, what would you do? Here are some specific questions for you to ponder:
- Would you choose to travel to the future or the past?
- If you choose the past, would you attempt to change the course of history to make your present better, or would you use it to participate in an experience that has always fascinated you, like the cowboy era?
- If you went to the future, would you spend your time in the future memorizing stock prices or shopping for things to bring back to your own time, or would simply wander around, trying to see as much as possible?
- Would you find a time-machine that allowed for ghostly, non-participatory observation, but no intervention (with future stock prices and sports results being bleeped from your memory after), almost as interesting, or uninteresting because of its practical uselessness?
- If both kinds of time machine were available, how much more would you be willing to pay for a trip on the first kind? Would you rather take two non-interventionist trips on the second machine, or one interventionist trip on the first kind?
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You might like a book by the Viennese psychoanalyst Viktor Frankl, called "Man's Search for Meaning." It's one of the sources for the ideas in "Groundhog Day." Frankl's advice: "Live as though you are living already for the second time..." is also the message of the film. (Taken to an extreme.)
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/09/04/world/dr-viktor-e-frankl-of-vienna-psychiatrist-of-the-search-for-meaning-dies-at-92.html
Yes, I am familiar with Frankl via quotes and extracts here and there. Didn't know the connection to Groundhog Day, interesting.
This makes me wonder where Industrial R & D engineers, chemists, mathematicians and perhaps even some start-ups would class, as their position would seemingly be somewhere between the archetypes of Vampire and Ghost.
What you mean by "detachment" is a common, popular image of the mystic. While there are renuciates, there are also quite a number of people living in the tangible world and not as ghosts. These folk are far, far more alive than the typical person living in their 2-minute movie clip or the 2 second sound bite. Yes, the vision expands beyond your current lifetime, and sure, you'll piss off and frighten the squarely conventional, but you are also living intensely in the moment at the same time.
One more: appetites are infinite. It's not that your apetite for the same thing decays over time. It's that you eventually realize that whatever seems to be satisfying you isn't really satisfying you anymore. The underlying appetite for -something- is still there.
You're parsing things at a level of metaphysical and experiential fundamentals that is overkill for what I am trying to get at here. Not all interesting questions require bytecode to answer :)
I think these are foundational and not overkill as they describe things in very practical, day-to-day stuff as well.
You have an interesting definition of 'kill.'
If you're not driven by your appetites, then you're far more effective at doing whatever it is you choose to do. How is that not practical in day-to-day, ordinary life?
I think we're chasing down very different ideas that happen to share a vocabulary.
False dichotomy alert: intelligent thinkers, stupid doers. Similar fallacy to intelligent introverts, stupid extroverts. Taking action doesn't preclude attempting to construct a meaningful narrative of one's two minutes.
Why can the vampire in your story only change the world for selfish reasons? Rather than take back stock picks, she might take back the cures to debilitating illnesses, or go into the past and prevent a woman from being raped—acts she might find meaningful. The ghost meanwhile would look around and do nothing to help anyone.
A ghost who uses their knowledge of the past to manipulate the present, aka a vampire, doesn't suddenly become a vacuous moron by taking action. The archetypal ghost uses resources yet offers nothing in return; all that CO2 released, all those fish yanked from the sea, for nothing? Given that the archetypal ghost is consuming resources, how can they truly class themselves a ghost? The ghost is using resources whilst trying to satisfy their neurons, just as the vampire is—there are no commendable urges, only more socially desirable ones.
Building on Goblin's examples:
A historian of medicine and medical-futurist-blogger is intelligent and lives a meaningful life. A biomedical researcher who knows all that the historian knows—and spends just as must time constructing a meaningful narrative of their life—but uses that knowledge to change the world, is a moron who lives a life devoid of meaning. Say it ain't so?
don’t think the author’s intentions were to vilify one character over the other. He was merely trying to portray them both to the best of his understanding, with words he knows how best to use. In saying that I believe the act of changing something around you, regardless of the whether it is to the benefit of the people around you or yourself is fundamentally a selfish desire. You don’t give money to a beggar unless it had some sort of an effect on you (emotional satisfaction in this case), be it however small or large. I also think wanting to make the lives of people around you better for whatever reason is a noble trait and should be encouraged for the betterment of our race as a whole. Altogether I found this article very interesting and has actually helped me gain some insight into myself so kudos to the author for that.
Where was Nietzsche in all this? Apparently forgotten.
Live life as if you are immortal sounds existential to me. Viva!
(...apologies..I've had some wine...)
Mostly agreed, however: without time-machines, extracting meaning is limited to unverifiable memories and unfalsifiable foreshadowings. Which could be classified as "fairly limited" as well. I think your preference for ghostly living might be just that: a preference.
I was looking to overstretch the peanut gallery analogy and discovered that peanut galleries come from vaudeville rather than the movies. Perhaps you're situated in the dollar theater of life.
Personally I oscillate between those two at a frequency of a few months. Hence my hunch that your preference is less rational than you imply.
Wow!
I'm a bit overwhelmed right now. Your ideas are strange to me and don't seem to fit into any notions that I already have.
This is good. Bursting my current bubble will open my mind for something new. Maybe I'll have something to say some time later, but right now I just relish in the confusion ...
Nice :-)
Hmm. I'm not big into this either/or thought mode. I prefer 'and's. Certainly, I'm a ghost AND a vampire. Perhaps the "False Dichotomy Alert" comment makes the point more eloquently, but I can only speak for my own experience - and it very definitely screams that throughout my life I fluctuate between observer and do-er phases. I'm not intrinsically (and eternally) one or the other.
I really enjoyed reading this. It's certainly something to ponder about. Thank you!
Similar to introvert and extravert experiences.
I would like to have read more on how the fantastical immortality becomes a necessary backdrop to being able to function and follow social regularities within this age.
Interesting perspective you offer here Venkat, which I see as a simplified version of the Vedanta dictum 'Thou Art That' ('Tat Tvam Asi' in Sanskrit) and a teaching that goes with the dictum which says the finite soul will be born again and again until it realizes its true nature ('Thou Art That') at which point the soul will merge into the Infinite Soul and ceases to be born again. Perhaps the interpretation for the movie-watching or play-acting allegory could be, the individual soul witnesses/participates in different 2-minute chunks of the movie/play until that soul perfectly understands the story at which point it becomes one with the script-writer/playwright and escapes the cycle of repeated births and deaths.
'Ground Hog Day' had a similar but different take in that the Bill Murray character lives the same day over and over again unless he gets the true meaning of love and escapes the repeating day.
That's an interesting connection. I harnt thought of tvam tat asi that way.
I feel like a combination of your two illustrative extremes. I want to *see* meaningfully, so I can *do* meaningfully. I'm agonize over living a meaningless life, so I expend tremendous amounts of time exploring how to correctly see.
This has been my favorite quote, forever:
“The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes.” --Marcel Proust
I guess I'm cursed with being biased towards seeing, because I have a 2lb brain, and I'm a bundle of stories and reactions, and I currently have little trust in meaningful doing.
So what about the person who believes he can only fully understand everything by doing everything? I suppose at some point, one has done everything, been everything and apotheosis (and its reverse) are complete.
It's a false dichotomy you make, but it serves the purpose of explaining the point. Like a koan, for instance.
So sad to me
Thanks for the article! I have used the allegory of ghosts and vampires in a similar fashion. I connect the meaning-seeking/ghost paradigm with with the intention of the individual mind and experience-seeking/vampire paradigm with the intention of the individual body. At the heart of all religious traditions is the hypothesis that individual minds and bodies share a common root and appear as fruits on the tree of the universal, immortal and incomprehensible ego called God. This universal ego is sometimes said to exist purely for the purpose of individual experience and a part of that experience is the temporary identification with individual minds and bodies. Therefore the essential question posed by seers is usually, "Who is the I that identifies with the body or the mind?".
I AM